Beating the $2 180-Man SNG

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Collin looks at a micro-stakes 180man sit & go and reviews hero's play throughout


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  • fitzinator18


    Enjoy the latest from Collin!

    As always feel free to ask Collin any questions, he'll be happy to answer.
  • 100Alexandra


    At the final tabel pocket Aces in sb "31.40". I think the Hero plays it well to induce at the microstakes a Push from a player like Jc_Poker_Ace.That is a player active and thinks he can miss use
    a image that he is good as he get more players out of the tournament.

    But this is a nice video and good in comment. Thank you
  • PhreaKer


    First of all nice Video. I really enjoy your 180 Videos. Very nice explanation for every spot.

    You also tell a lot about your ranges in a lot of situation which is fantastic for less experienced players.

    And even Regs can benefit watching your edutainment.

    You really are helping players with your Videos.

    Great content...keep it up.

    now to the Video:

    At 50 sec. you say that you would isolate a limper with a realtively wide range in the HJ, like A8s+, ATo, KJo+, QJs, 77+

    I think especially on the $2 Level thats most likely not gonna be the best idea.

    The reason behind this tighter early game I prefer is that there are so many players that could just shove or raise over us with a wide range which is very common in the early stages on the $2 level.

    Also you get into tough spots with hands that can cost you chips because of domination.

    As silly as it sounds often times you get a 3-5 way pot since players don't like to fold.

    And also if you get it HU..

    In my experience a lot of weaker players will just donk out on the flop OOP after you isolated em and on most flops you don't want to float I think.

    My approach is to play tight since the blinds are low. And try to play weak opponents with good equity hands raising from late.

    I think its very table/opponent dependent. If u have a lot of weak passive players this strategy works out perfectly.

    In my experience there are not many of that type of player since most limping players are over agressive with tricky plays, too.

    Not worth it for me.

    AJo is a spot that is very player dependet in my oppinion. If you minraise you often get several calls and can check fold.

    Without stats I would absolutely push on the $2 level.

    So you are a little bit short to do that play against players that tend to call a lot pre.

    Of course its the best play if you agressive players that reshove very wide.
  • PhreaKer


    You say you can openshove AA because you openshoved AJ in a similar situation if you have thinking players on the table.

    Shoving AA in that spot would be a huge mistake on the $2.

    You really can play exploitable even against the majority of Regs on this limit.

    This is a spot where I like to shove AA, too.. because all players are very short and no one seems to be a player that will put his stack in light anyways.

    So raising small at that point generates way more FE since everyone even weaker players now that you won't ever fold anyways.

    I like to minraise the Aces in the small blind if the bb doesn't seem to be a good reg.

    Very nice video as always, thanks ;)
  • Flipzors


    what is the nash software that you are using, sngwiz?
  • CollinMoshman


    #2 100Alexandra: Definitely player-dependent in the AA spot, good point. Glad you enjoyed the video!

    #3 Phreaker: Thanks very much for the nice words. I do agree with you that our iso-raising range should be a function of not only the initial limpers, but the remaining players at the table. When we get it HU IP vs the limper though, it doesn't matter all that much if our opponent donks into us a lot -- e.g. that's a lot better than getting frequently c/r'd. We still have a preflop equity edge and position. Spots like these are great for accumulating chips even if we land in the occasional awkward postflop situation, and it's important to seize edges during low blinds too.

    Nice comments though and I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
  • CollinMoshman


    #5 Flipzors: The downloadable Holdem Resources Nash calculator.
  • CollinMoshman


    Oh and to answer your remaining questions PhreakKer:

    At 5:50, I 100% agree, minraising is much better. The point I was making is that this is another benefit of also minraising with hands at the bottom of our open range at this stack depth -- even if remaining players are observant (which they often won't be of course), they still wouldn't be suspicious since we're just MRing our entire range.

    Nice comments on 30:40 and 31:40 :)
  • Rainmy


    Nice video :) Is it possible to record a live session?
  • TIppMee


    First of all i would like to thank you for this vid i have 1 question which has not been asked yet in the comment section, hope you wont laugh about it:

    I dont get why the KJo call is so clear?

    I know that against a random hand we have about 60% if he pushes any 2 but given the fact that we are at the FT bubble i think even a reg is gonna adapt a little bit to it & i think more often than not we will be facing about 30% top range/or Ax.

    I personally think we should open up our own range a bit (like with the J8s) and try to go for more steals rather than calling as a default at that spot?

    Like i said i am anything else but sure about this point, its just a question.
  • TIppMee


    i think
    @32:50 the min raise is just to leave space for a fold, since he showed with the AA vs 34o hand that he is able to raise instead of shoving with his top range
  • PhreaKer



    This is a very, very easy call. If you are folding spots like this you can't even be a 10% ROI winner at these tournaments over big SS.

    Since you're sacrificing so much ROI to lower Variance.

    It's the same thing like folding ITM but decreasing youre chances to win the tournament because your FE is gone due to passiv play.

    Against an unknown player I'd be tighter with my callingrange, too.

    But KJ u can never ever fold there ; )

    That is a very extreme leak!

    You have to play those 180s mostly in cEV mode. And on the bubble players push more loose not tighter since callingranges tend to be tighter naturally ;)
  • CollinMoshman


    #10 TIppMee: A reg if anything would tend to widen his range a bit on FT bubble to apply pressure. For around 11bb effective post-ante, most players will be shoving wider than top 30%, and regs much wider. So Phreaker is 100% right that we must call here.

    That is a good question though, thanks for asking and I'm very glad you enjoyed the video!
  • MarinaOrel


    Ty for another good video, Collin!
    Good play by hero, but little bit tight in middle stage. For example, dont like some open folds with Ax, 66, etc.
  • MarinaOrel


    8:11 Easy shove with A8o
    12:11 Open A5s and call vs short stacks
    14:11 Like this fold with 44. Don't like to play raise/fold or raise call with 44, only open shove, but effective stack is too big to open shove here
    20:53 J8s i think its clear open
    But good play by here, ty for video!
  • MarinaOrel


    24:45 very standart open with 66
  • EdeStumpi


    @15 MarinaOrel: 12:11 Since there only is one real short stack (CO), which we could happily call, I would prefer open folding A5s.
    Minraising could certainly be fine, if most of the remaining players are tight/passive.
  • V1per13


    Very nice video, thank you, Collin.
  • sullyjones


    Great video Collin, I've been waiting for more 180 man review! Also, love all the good comments in the thread! I have been playing too passively in these! I'm sure Phreaker could give me some lessons in aggression! Thanks again!
  • BubbleNedRum


    i enjoyed the video as well and i'm looking forward to more great content on 180s